tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post7352089113230032344..comments2024-01-16T18:28:22.814+05:30Comments on A simple desultory Philippic: Baroda BluesJ. Alfred Prufrockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16446127543417759542noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-56595569472719933242007-06-07T15:57:00.000+05:302007-06-07T15:57:00.000+05:30@AQC:i was using the term in the way it is used in...@AQC:<BR/>i was using the term in the way it is used in India, in the popular media.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-41450086551335296182007-06-05T15:41:00.000+05:302007-06-05T15:41:00.000+05:30Weird. Where does it say a minority type can't be ...Weird. Where does it say a minority type can't be a far-right loony?Arthur Quiller Couchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06780781021139169243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-1264973349345058122007-06-05T13:48:00.000+05:302007-06-05T13:48:00.000+05:30i suppose you were innocent of this one fact - the...i suppose you were innocent of this one fact - the guy who filed the FIR was not a far-rightist, he belonged to one of the minority communities. he was deeply gravely incensed by the painting of jesus's second coming.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-18468433845058727542007-06-05T13:32:00.000+05:302007-06-05T13:32:00.000+05:30Deeee-yoode. Awesomeness wonly, yuwar post was.Deeee-yoode. Awesomeness wonly, yuwar post was.the Monkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01594225626083765563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-80266412949858778142007-06-01T16:20:00.000+05:302007-06-01T16:20:00.000+05:30Guru-gambhir bishoye bistarito alochona. I actuall...Guru-gambhir bishoye bistarito alochona. <BR/><BR/>I actually liked your digression quite a bit. <BR/><BR/>On a completely selfish note, could I claim a small bit of copyright infringement damage for the title of the post?<BR/><BR/>And no, I am not paying Anjan Dutta anything :)udayanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03778158585178187903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-66450722531648466602007-06-01T16:15:00.000+05:302007-06-01T16:15:00.000+05:30This comment has been removed by the author.udayanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03778158585178187903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-68257561282123736672007-05-31T15:44:00.000+05:302007-05-31T15:44:00.000+05:30Hello! Thought you resolved on 13th May to write e...Hello! Thought you resolved on 13th May to write everyday??? What came of it???<BR/><BR/>And regarding the topic on hand, yet to visit sandeepweb to see the pics, but in general me very liberal with artistic expressions. Sensitivity of artists and sensibility of audience evolve together, well done if this happens peacefully!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-8123268073613386922007-05-27T08:20:00.000+05:302007-05-27T08:20:00.000+05:30The world is full of images I find offensive. I do...The world is full of images I find offensive. I don't go to places where they are to be found. I don't visit porn sites or go to those very frank cinemas downtown. I avoid violent or horror movies. And I skip some of the modern art in our Musée des Beaux Arts.<BR/><BR/>But I don't go around saying other people can't look at them. I think much less of them for doing so, but it's their right.<BR/><BR/>The exception that always holds of course is when the image has damaged the person it is of - as in child porn.The Aunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14529168814096715981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-27429739700834754462007-05-26T15:23:00.000+05:302007-05-26T15:23:00.000+05:30This was all because of a misunderstanding involvi...This was all because of a misunderstanding involving acronyms..someone read MSG and thought it sttod for monosodium glutamate...that allegedly bad for the brain.(i cannot comment not having been issued one) so in thier 'josh' to rid the world of dangerous food additives they raided the university...Australopithecushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10644009333086190964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-73591473982378883682007-05-25T21:17:00.000+05:302007-05-25T21:17:00.000+05:30hmm, amra sabai Ma mary r moto jonmechhi je.kishto...hmm, amra sabai Ma mary r moto jonmechhi je.<BR/><BR/>kishto kothay laage??Poorna Banerjeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10895874054839125248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-46956223181895657272007-05-25T17:53:00.000+05:302007-05-25T17:53:00.000+05:30We don't need to shut up about it. We are educated...We don't need to shut up about it. We are educated and follow modern thought. The aliens did it. All those offensive sculptures etc. We should just shoot them out into space and thus protect our future generations.Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10819608939555247317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-23018258337583297172007-05-25T06:44:00.000+05:302007-05-25T06:44:00.000+05:30That was a delightful read!PragyaThat was a delightful read!<BR/><BR/>PragyaPragyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10108317267020057415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-33745244309029674252007-05-24T01:23:00.000+05:302007-05-24T01:23:00.000+05:30@anon - Well, to a certain extent, difficulty depe...@anon - Well, to a certain extent, difficulty depends on perception, Doesn't it?March Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08179423902475376450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-52771935967601751652007-05-22T23:58:00.000+05:302007-05-22T23:58:00.000+05:30well...just dropped in to say that this is not lim...well...<BR/>just dropped in to say that this is not limited to india.<BR/>i read a report the other day that a chocolate shop owner put up a naked chocolate sculpture of Jesus Christ and was forced to remove it, right here in New York. (I did see the sculpture too)..<BR/>If the country that considers herself the epitome of freedom, is it a big surprise that this can happen in India?Madhavanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07462059528207003967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-50997280923903325772007-05-22T17:35:00.000+05:302007-05-22T17:35:00.000+05:30I'm convinced I'm convinced. In fact I'm knitting ...I'm convinced I'm convinced. In fact I'm knitting a decent sweater for the shivalinga right now. One that does not reveal the shape but makes it look like a heart. ooops! Heart is also against indian culture.izhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07680166125227242735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-19908071014139489242007-05-22T12:26:00.000+05:302007-05-22T12:26:00.000+05:30dear prufroc,I wasnt planning on calling you anyti...dear prufroc,<BR/><BR/>I wasnt planning on calling you anytime soon, but can I still comment on your blog ? :-D<BR/><BR/>The last comment should read:<BR/><BR/>>>>> Sure.. at the same time, violence to make your voice heard is not something thats practiced by Mr Jain <B>alone</B> in this country.. We have a long history of coercive politics, starting right from Mahatma Gandhi and his hadtals, gheraos and boycotts.<BR/><BR/>In my defense, I didnt mean to say that Mahatma Gandhis politics was violent, only that the politics we see today is an organic growth of the agitational politics of those times. I may be wrong.. but then so what :-)<BR/><BR/>In Mahatma Gandhis own words.. <BR/><BR/>"None of us knew what name to give to our movement. I then used the term “passive resistance” in describing it. ... A small prize was therefore announced in Indian Opinion to be awarded to the reader who invented the best designation for our struggle. ... Shri Maganlal Gandhi was one of the competitors and he suggested the word sadagraha, meaning “firmness in a good cause.” I liked the word, but it did not fully represent the whole idea I wished it to connote. I therefore corrected it to “satyagraha”. Truth (satya) implies love, and <B>firmness (agraha) engenders and therefore serves as a synonym for force.</B> I thus began to call the Indian movement Satyagraha, that is to say, the <B>Force which is born of Truth</B> and Love or non-violence, and gave up the use of the phrase “passive resistance”, in connection with it, so much so that even in English writing we often avoided it and used instead the word “satyagraha” itself or some other equivalent English phrase.[2]"<BR/><BR/>Its not violent, but its coercive alright.. One may argue that this was the only language that worked with the ruthless rulers we had at that time, but thats doesnt detract from the point I was making. <BR/><BR/>anyhoo.. we digress. Whatever be the roots of this kind of politics, its certainly not productive.<BR/><BR/>anon1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-65524993973594671532007-05-22T10:45:00.000+05:302007-05-22T10:45:00.000+05:30Sensor and Sen, tankee for joining the fray.Anon1,...Sensor and Sen, tankee for joining the fray.<BR/><BR/>Anon1, Gandhi and violence for protest? Take 2 Aspirin and DON'T call me in the morning.<BR/><BR/>J.A.P.J. Alfred Prufrockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16446127543417759542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-22960833736463500002007-05-22T06:49:00.000+05:302007-05-22T06:49:00.000+05:30@@sensational;Ahh, 'crime against humanity'?*ponde...@@sensational;<BR/>Ahh, 'crime against humanity'?<BR/>*ponders* :P<BR/><BR/>I wonder what you ponder.. :-) What is so difficult to understand in what I said :-D<BR/><BR/>anon1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-8444074724311838612007-05-22T06:47:00.000+05:302007-05-22T06:47:00.000+05:30>> (1) these paintings were not in the public doma...>> (1) these paintings were not in the public domain, so to that extent their potential for offence was less.<BR/><BR/>But they were, from what I know, the paintings/sculptures were displayed in a publicly funded university and the display was open to anyone who wanted to walk in.<BR/><BR/>>> (2) no matter how offensive they may be, it does not give N Jain & Co the right to march in and cause alarm and dismay, nor does it condone the biased stand of the police. (I think we agree on this one as well?)<BR/><BR/>Sure.. at the same time, violence to make your voice heard is not something thats practiced by Mr Jain in this country.. We have a long history of coercive politics, starting right from Mahatma Gandhi and his hadtals, gheraos and boycotts. <BR/><BR/>Police always take the shortcut out to maintain peace.. If they feel that they can get a mob of 1000 people back in their homes by putting xyz in jail, theyll do it :-)<BR/><BR/>anon1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-2311385130096264362007-05-22T02:45:00.000+05:302007-05-22T02:45:00.000+05:30Ahh, 'crime against humanity'? *ponders* :PAhh, 'crime against humanity'? <BR/><BR/>*ponders* :PMarch Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08179423902475376450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-15088482741938134702007-05-21T22:17:00.000+05:302007-05-21T22:17:00.000+05:30brilliant.- a child of immaculate conception, also...brilliant.<BR/>- a child of immaculate conception, also having conceived immaculately herself!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11635280793074091829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-32553495864223257162007-05-21T17:07:00.000+05:302007-05-21T17:07:00.000+05:30Coggle - I am not a reporter named Mousumi Sengupt...Coggle - I am not a reporter named Mousumi Sengupta. If HT get around to paying anybody, however, I will get the payment.<BR/><BR/>Anon1 - I agree with you. As with the oft-cited precedent of the Danish cartoons, I believe some things are best left alone. (I'm not an advocate of democracy, really - I believe in benevolent despotism. Preferrably mine)<BR/>Two points to make here - <BR/>(1) these paintings were not in the public domain, so to that extent their potential for offence was less. <BR/>(2) no matter how offensive they may be, it does not give N Jain & Co the right to march in and cause alarm and dismay, nor does it condone the biased stand of the police. (I think we agree on this one as well?)<BR/>Good analogy about the N-word.<BR/><BR/>J.A.P.J. Alfred Prufrockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16446127543417759542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-12156070297839309212007-05-21T14:41:00.000+05:302007-05-21T14:41:00.000+05:30that was me - anon1 :-)that was me - anon1 :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-4430011988344036782007-05-21T14:40:00.000+05:302007-05-21T14:40:00.000+05:30>> Anon1 - dripping semen or unattended birth migh...>> Anon1 - dripping semen or unattended birth might offend your sense of propriety, of aesthetics, of hygiene. But describing them as 'crimes against humanity' seems a bit over the top.<BR/>Can you give us the link to 'Sandeep's blog'?<BR/><BR/>sure.. sandeepweb.com.<BR/><BR/>The paintings and structures may well be described as crimes against humanity ;-) but that wasnt what I was referring to when I used that phrase. <BR/><BR/>In many minds, such works of 'art' are associated with hindu baiting, and are reminiscent of the desecrations of hindu religious icons one finds in history. This desecration and the concomitant blood baths and genocide is what I was referring to when I used that phrase.<BR/><BR/>Now one can say, you are backward, you are intolerant or that your idea of history is entirely wrong, but what matters is how commonly this opinion is held, and what can be done to assuage these feelings.<BR/><BR/>The other question is what exactly is being achieved by the works of 'art' in question ? If its a rebellion against sexual repression, ash and hrithik swinging their arses in dhoom2 does that far better than this 'art'.<BR/><BR/>Freedom of speech is not universal you know.. For e.g. you cant use the N word and escape censure in the US. <BR/><BR/>What will it take for Indian elite to realize that such art is the same for many practising hindus, as using the N word would be for an African American.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11411104.post-32378155742899996662007-05-21T12:59:00.000+05:302007-05-21T12:59:00.000+05:30um. ur post appeared word for word in the op-ed pa...um. ur post appeared word for word in the op-ed page of HT today. Atleast in Mumbai.<BR/>Which is cause for concern maybe, unless you <I>are</I> a reporter called Mousumi Sengupta...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com